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Sail Markings - Rule Change Proposal

Monday, 02 March 2015 23:24

Rules Change - Submitted Proposals

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From Ricardo Lobato

Summary: Sail Marking

 

Affects:

     Constitution                       By-Laws                   Class Rules

     Deed of Gift               Rules of Conduct        NoR or SI Template          

     Other

 

 

Objective:

Elimination a redundant rule.

 

Proposal (include current & proposed changed wording- changes to be shown in

Section 16. Sail Markings

Snipe insignia, racing number, country identification and chevron awards, in addition to ISAF Category C prescriptions may be displayed on sails.

 

Reasons:

  1. 1)The Snipe insignia, racing number and country letters are mandatory and they are covered at the General Restrictions (Class Rules). They also cover the chervons.
  2. 2)ISAF Category C doesn´t exist anymore

Professionals - Rule Change Proposal

Monday, 02 March 2015 23:16

Rules Change - Submitted Proposals

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From Ricardo Lobato

Summary: Professional Sailors

 

Affects:

     Constitution                       By-Laws                   Class Rules

     Deed of Gift               Rules of Conduct        NoR or SI Template          

     Other

 

 

Objective:

Deleting Section 15

 

Proposal (include current & proposed changed wording- changes to be shown in

 

Section 15. Professionals

No person shall be on board a Snipe during a race held under general or specific jurisdiction of the Association except those who participate in yacht racing as a pastime as distinguished from the means of obtaining livelihood. No

yachtsman shall lose amateur status by reason of the fact that his livelihood is derived from designing or constructing any boats or parts or boats or sails or from other professions associated with the sea and ships. Appeals or protests on

this issue should be directed to the national authority.

 

Reasons:

  1. 1)Snipe class is basically amateur. However, occasionally, a professional sailor from an Olympic Class, Offshore or any other kind of professional sailor sails Snipe for pleasure or for sharpening their own racing skills. This interchange is positive to the class.
  2. 2)The current interpretation of professional conflicts with ISAF´s Sailors Classification where sailmakers are considered professional.
  3. 3)Organization Authority can still make different categories separating professionals to amateurs using ISAF´s Sailors Classification if desired.

Rules Change - Submitted Proposals

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From Pietro Fantoni

Summary: Protest by a member of the protest committee or its designated observer who sees a boat breaking a rule of Part 2 or rule 31 RRS

 

 

Affects:

     Constitution                       By-Laws                   Class Rules

     Deed of Gift               Rules of Conduct        NoR or SI Template          

     Other

 

 

Objective:

 

 

Proposal (include current & proposed changed wording- changes to be shown in red):   Example: By Laws: Section 1. Racing Season

   The official racing sailing season of this Association shall extend for the full twelve months of the year starting on January 1st and ending on December 31st.

 

2015 Sailing Instruction template

14       PENALTY SYSTEM

14.1      Appendix P will apply.

14.2      A member of the protest committe or its designated observer who sees a boat breaking a rule of Part 2 or rule 31 RRS may protest her by, as soon as reasonably possible, making a sound signal, pointing a red flag at her and hailing her sail number, even if she is no longer racing. If she doesn’t take a penalty as described in rule 44, the Proctest Committee may protest the boat, according to rule 60.3.

14.2 14.3          [*Optional*] Any competitor using an one/two turn(s) penalty shal report that use to the Race Committer promptly upon finishing that race.

 

 

Rules of Conduct for Concìducting National and International Championship Regattas

Protests

13. An international jury per RRS Appendix N should be used in all major International Championships (World, Hemisphere, North American, South American, and European Championship). Familiarity and experience with SNIPE sailing is a critical criterion for the selection of jury members. The SCIRA Representative shall be satisfied that there is compliance with this requirement in advance of the event.

13.1 The provisions of rule N2.2 are reserved to SCIRA officials.

13.2 Decisions of the Race Committee, Protest Committee, and SCIRA officials shall be final as far as award of all trophies. Appeals related to SCIRA Rules may be made to the SCIRA Chairman of Rules Committee. The SCIRA Rules Committee may decline to hear the appeal and forward it on to the appropriate appeals committee of the hosting National authority.

13.3 RRS Appendix P will apply.

13.4 A member of the protest committe or its designated observer who sees a boat breaking a rule of Part 2 or rule 31 RRS may protest her by, as soon as reasonably possible, making a sound signal, pointing a red flag at her and hailing her sail number, even if she is no longer racing. If she doesn’t take a penalty as described in rule 44 RRS, the Proctest Committee may protest the boat according to rule 60.3 RRS.

 

 

Reasons:

Compliance of the Racing Rules of Sailing (Part 2 and rule 31) and fair sailing especially in big events.

This would help especially in the Junior Worlds. There are many collisions and no one does 720s. You remember there was lots of boat damage in Rio and the problem is the kids are using charter boats. If the jury can protest on the water when they observe a collision (with a flag) this would help.

Actually now, rule 60.3 allows the protest committee to protest a boat. In practice, they never do it, unless it is something very ugly. But this is a normal protest (on the land, in the Jury room). It would be possible to move to a full “Umpired Fleet Race (as in Addendum Q RRS for the madal race in the Olympic Classes), but it is very complicated.

In my opinion the better solution could be something in between. The Jury (protest committee members) can blow the whisthe and pointing a flag when they see a rule infringment and, if the boat doesn’t do the penalty turns thay may protest later.

I think allowing the on-water jury to use the red flag on the water will also:

1. Discourage risky and unfair behavior - on the layline and at mark roundings.

2.  Put onus/liability on the protested boat to pay for any damage.

From experience, boats that have damage during a championship are repaired quickly (sometimes with silver tape). After the regatta, when the owner has time to make a proper repair, it is difficult to get the liable party/boat to pay for the repair.

 

Rules Change - Submitted Proposals

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From Antonio Bari

Summary: to delete the minimum thickness requirements for fiberglass hulls and cockpits

 

Affects:

     Constitution                       By-Laws                   Class Rules

     Deed of Gift               Rules of Conduct        NoR or SI Template          

     Other

 

 

Objective: The requirement is difficult to control; it is intended to grant stiffness to the boats, but the class has the minimum weight and the MOI test rules which are sufficient to guarantee quality made boats.

 

 

Proposal (include current & proposed changed wording- changes to be shown in red):   Example: By Laws: Section 1. Racing Season

   The official racing sailing season of this Association shall extend for the full twelve months of the year starting on January 1st and ending on December 31st.

 

General Restrictions

 

Hull - Rule 5

Thickness of sides, transom, sides of centerboard trunk and bottom:

Fiberglass: 3mm (1/8”) minimum

Fiberglass and foam sandwich or fiberglass and honeycomb sandwich:

 

 

3mm (1/8”) outer skin and 1.5mm (1/16”) inner skin minimum.

Wood: density of 512 kg per cubic meter (.0185 lbs. per cubic inch) or greater,

13mm (1/2”) minimum. Density of less than 512 kg per cubic meter (.0185 lbs.

per cubic inch), 19mm (3/4”) minimum.

Plywood: 10mm (3/8”) minimum.

Plywood and fiberglass: 10mm (3/8”) minimum plus fiberglass.

 

Deck – Rule 10.

Thickness: Plywood: 6mm (1/4”) minimum. Exterior grade maybe used. Fiberglass: 1.5mm (1/16”), Fiberglass and foam or honeycomb: 1.5mm (1/16”) outer skin minimum.

 

 

 

Reasons: this requirement has never been checked; the only way to do so is to drill holes in the boats during the main championships.

Rules Change - Submitted Proposals

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From Antonio Bari

Summary:the Chairman of the Rules Committee is the only position in the Board not having an established maximum term.

 

 

Affects:

         Constitution                       By-Laws                       Class Rules

         Deed of Gift                  Rules of Conduct            NoR or SI Template          

         Other

 

 

Objective:to introduce a maximum term for the position of Chairman of the Rules Committee.

 

Proposal: Section 25. Chairman of the International Rules Committee will serve a 4 year term and no more than two consecutive terms.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reasons: possible life time positions are against the spirit of the Constitution.

Rules Change - Submitted Proposals

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From Antonio Bari and Pietro Fantoni

Summary: Weather Limitations – Wind Reading

 

 

Affects:

     Constitution                       By-Laws                   Class Rules

     Deed of Gift               Rules of Conduct              NoR or SI Template          

     Other

 

 

Objective:

 

 

Proposal (include current & proposed changed wording- changes to be shown in red):   Example: By Laws: Section 1. Racing Season

   The official racing sailing season of this Association shall extend for the full twelve months of the year starting on January 1st and ending on December 31st.

 

Rules of Conduct For Conducting National and International Championship Regattas

 

Weather Limitations (Course and Starting)

…[omissis]…

9.3 Wind reading instruments shall be between 2 and 3 meters above the surface of the water. The duration of reading shall be 3 consecutive minutes prior the race warning. The wind reading shall be taken from an unobstructed area on the boat, it is recommended that there be a minimum 4 meters of free space surrounding the wind instruments. If during the race the wind speed goes over the maximum wind speed allowed for more than 5 3 consecutive minutes the race shall be abandoned. If frequent heavy gusts go over the limit even for less than 3 consecutive minutes, the Race Committe and the SCIRA representative, for ensuring a fair and safety race, may decide to not to start or abandon the race.

         For Masters events … [omissis] …

 

 

 

Reasons: With this proposal we want to guarantee fair and safety races, avoiding unnecessary damages on the boats.

Currently a race shall be abandoned if the  wind speed exceeds the maximum for 5 consecutive minutes, but it often happens (and it seems happened in several events last year) that the puffs/gusts last less than 5 minutes, but are very frequent. Now, under the current rule, the RC cannot abandon the race but the teams are actually racing in winds above the max limit.

We say: base wind at start 24 knots; 3 minute gust at 30, 2 minutes at 22, 4 minutes at 27, 2 minutes at 20, 3 minutes at 28. The race can’t be abandoned but you are sailing in winds stronger than allowed.

The problem is when the wind is very gusty, with huge difference between the average wind speed and the gusts (particulary with an offshore wind or when we are sailing in an area surrounded by land). When almost half of the fleet is forced to abandon the race due to boats problems is not (only) a problem of skills of the sailors or lack of mantainance on the boats, but it is a knockout competition

Charter Boats - Rule Change Proposal

Monday, 02 March 2015 22:42

Rules Change - Submitted Proposals

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From Luis Soubie

Summary: Charter boats on major events

 

 

Affects:

     Constitution                       By-Laws                   Class Rules

x       Deed of Gift               Rules of Conduct   x       NoR or SI Template          

     Other

 

 

Objective: To have a clear and healthy policy regarding charter boats and stop the abuse of owners or shops regarding the price. In addition, to make clear to host fleets, clubs or country that is their responsibility to provide a number of good boats, at a fair price.

 

Proposal (include current & proposed changed wording- changes to be shown in red):  

 

  1. 1)To include in the BID for Worlds, European and WH&O the following ground rules, as mandatory:
    1. a.The host club and/or fleet and/or nation must guarantee the following charter boats in order to be eligible for hosting the regatta:
      1. i.A charter boat list, with condition, sail number, equipment and price must be available online when the initial registration starts.
      2. ii.The list must have an offer of as many rental boats as 40% of the numbers of entries allowed for the regatta. If the number of entries is not fixed in the deed of gifts, the host can receive as many entries as 2.5 times the number of boats on the original rental list.
      3. iii.This list must be sent to SCIRA in advance, at least 2 weeks in advance, so SCIRA can check it and accept (or not) the boats. Very old boats, or not competitive brands of boats or masts will not be accepted. We recommend hosts to send the list with more time in advance, in case they have rejected boats.
      4. iv.Boats must be paid in advance. And when getting the boat, at the location, the sailor must paid a refundable cash deposit in the amount of the money that the insurance is not covering) usually insurance companies pays for damage above an amount)
      5. v.Crews from outside the hosting continent must have priority, while nearby countries should not rent.
      6. vi.All boats must be 15 years old or newer and must be competitive in the eyes of SCIRA. Older boats can be included in the list as an additional to these requirements.
      7. vii.Host country must finish his qualification regattas for the event at least 2 months in advance to the beginning of the first registration period.
      8. viii.Cost of the charter will be no more than 10% of the price of the boat in the hosting country, for a charter period of the regatta plus 3 days, understanding that a 100% fee, for a 10 days use, on a boat with a lifetime of more than 20 years is more than fair.
      9. ix.Price of the new boat will be established by SCIRA for the hosting country, in SCIRA best knowledge, and a depreciation of 10% every 3 years of age of the boat will be applied, meaning that 15 years old boats cost 50% of new boats.
      10. x.The price of the charter boat must include the insurance specified in the NOR. This amount must be added to the rental fee (the 10% of price) and must be accepted by SCIRA.
      11. xi.Countries, fleets and/or club that cannot guarantee this kind of deal to sailors, should not propose themselves to host the major regattas.
      12. xii.If they do, and fail on this requirements, they should loose eligibility for the next event.

 

 

 

Reasons:

During the last 5 years rental boat prices had escalate to prices that are making the attendance to this regattas almost impossible to a big number of good sailors. Instead of promoting the class and help a fellow sailors, it has become for some a business.

The host fleets and clubs are not taking responsibility about providing enough, good and affordable boats to sailors, leaving this problem to be solved in a private way between the sailor and the owner. This matter is a central part of a good and fair regatta and must not be allowed.

Hosting a major regatta involves a lot of aspects, and as much as you need jurys, you need rental boats.

In addition, NOR requires time after time insurances that nobody buys. The host, in order to require an insurance, must do a deal with an insurance company of the country for the total of the boats, and charge each competitor his part.

Most of the classes with the biggest events and success have this rental boat problem regulated, and even when they had some problems at the beginning, with time, sailors get to know the “package deal” and attendance to regattas is more easy.

A snipe is a very long lasting boat, there is no reason to justify a rental boat fee of more than 10% of the price of the boat, for a period of usage that always is less than 10 days, when there is a deposit and a good insurance.

Rules Change - Submitted Proposals

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From Luis Soubie

Summary: Mixed Worlds

 

 

Affects:

     Constitution                       By-Laws              x       Class Rules

x       Deed of Gift               Rules of Conduct   x       NoR or SI Template          

     Other

 

 

Objective: To award a recognition to the best mixed crew of the world

 

 

Proposal (include current & proposed changed wording- changes to be shown in red):  

To include in the Deed of gifts of the Master Worlds a previous regatta for mixed crews, not restricted by age and award to the winner the tittle of : SCIRA mixed International Champion.

I propose the following conditions:

9 mixed races in 3 days.

Maximum wind 15 knots

W-L course with finish line at the second leeward mark. (4 legs)

Race time between 45 and 60 minutes.

Rest day and following the Master worlds

 

I propose that a perpetual trophy must be made by SCIRA, and must carry the name of the winner of a poll made online between sailors worldwide , y propose it to be made on Snipe Today´s platform.

 

Reasons:

 

For more than a decade, mixed crews had show not only an excellent level of competition but a number exceeding by far juniors and women together, while no competition or recognition to them was awarded.

ISAF rules are not allowing to have an independent and official Mixed World Championship. Not even to replace a JR or Women World.

Only the mixed can be awarded as a World Championship if replaces the Master World.

The Master World, together with the senior, is the most successful and competitive we had and there is no sense on even thinking of replace it.

So what I propose is exactly what we are doing with success at the South American regatta for more than a decade.

A 3 days mixed event(in the case of the South American it is raced together with the master event), a rest day, and following 4 days of the open South American (including juniors).

Yes, is a bigger effort for the host, but they get a lot of entries, rental boats sometimes can be rented twice so the price of the rental decreases and is very fun.

Many crews of the master fleet are mixed, so they can race 2 regattas and get the most from 1 plane ticket.

With a smart race course it can be held with a minimum of effort and can be good as practice for the major event.

As an example, at the 2012 WH&O we had a practice regatta with 6 races, and we changed the RO for the major event because of not following some class rules several times (on wind and courses). It was a good practice that allowed us to see also that we needed a few more support boats.

 

From

From1:      Martin  Bermudez  de  la  Puente/José  Pérez  Morales                                             Email:         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.              
Summary:        
      The  low  participation  of  Women  crews  in  Snipe  championships,  seriously  jeopardizes   the  future  of  them.  For  that  reason,  the  objective  is  to  attract  other  crews  to  these   championships  that  abound  in  our  class  to  enhance  women's  championship  and   make  it  attractive.      Affects:     X      Constitution         X      Deed  of  Gift        
   Other  
   Objective:      To  create  a  mixed  category  (men  and  women)  where  such  the  woman  as  the  man   can  be  the  skipper.      Proposal:      Option  a)  The  new  mixed  category  will  sail  at  the  same  time  that  women,  with  the   same  Deed  of  Gift  but  with  different  classifications  and  prizes.      Option  b)  To  modify  the  Women  Championship ́s  Deed  of  Gift.  In  that  case  such  as   the  woman  as  the  man  can  be  inscribe  themselves  as  the  skipper.        Option  c)  To  create  a  new  mixed  class  inside  Snipe  Class  with  mixed  crews   integrated  by  a  woman  and  a  man.  Any  of  them  can  be  the  skipper.      If  the  option  a)  or  c)  are  chosen,  I  pledge  to  donate  a  perpetual  trophy  por  this   purpose.      If  the  option  b)  is  chosen  I  pledge  to  donate  a  Perpetual  trophy  for  the  European   Championship  of  this  new  category.      Reasons:         The  low  participation  of  Women  crews  in  Snipe  championships,  seriously  jeopardizes   the  future.  
    
      
      

Dues Payment - Rule Change Proposal

Monday, 02 March 2015 22:20

Rules Change - Submitted Proposals

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From Luis Soubie

Summary:Many countries conduct national championships and award the title of national snipe champion under the rules of SCIRA but some, most or all the boats and sailors competing are not members of the class.

 

 

Affects:

            Constitution                          By-Laws                                 Class Rules

            Deed of Gift                 Rules of Conduct                     NoR or SI Template          

            Other

 

 

 

Objective: Payment of SCIRA dues is mandatory to race in all SCIRA event.

 

 

 

Proposal (include current & proposed changed wording- changes to be shown in red):  

 

Section 19. Dues

Each member of the Association and each owner of a Snipe Class boat, shall pay to the Association dues applicable to his/her country, the amount being determined by agreement between the National Secretary and the Board of Governors. Dues are to be paid by the members and the owners of boats already holding measurement certificates within thirty days after the start of their local Fleetís racing season fifteen days after the first regatta sailed. To be elegible to participate to a National or International Championship the Dues shall be paid before the end start of such regatta.

Section 20. Non-payment of Dues
If
a member or the owner of a measured boat of the Class shall fail to pay his dues within one month of the start of his Fleetís official racing season fifteen days after the first regatta sailed such boat and/or member shall become ineligible to race in the subsequent events for a period of 30 days.

In case of non payment of the Dues in a National or International Championship the boat and/or memeber shall be deleted from the final results and shall become ineligible to race in the subsequent events for a period of 90 days. And Such an owner a member shall lose his membership in the Association and all rights connected therewith. In the case of new boats launched after the expiration of the thirty days of grace, the owner may have his boat registered and measured and take part in the remaining point score races. If such procedure is not followed, the boat may not race in any open or closed races unless special permission is granted by the Fleet and approved by the National Secretary.

 

Section 21. Reinstatement.
A member suspended for non-payment of dues may be reinstated when current dues have been paid in
full.

 

 

 

Reasons: When sailors don´t pay for their boat and for themselves, they don´t belong to SCIRA, so they cannot be awarded with any SCIRA title or represent the country in any SCIRA regatta. In addition, not paying the dues represents a disrespect to all the sailors that pays worldwide and support SCIRA. NS is responsible in SCIRA for this, and should not allow to race those sailors.

Rules Changes - Submitted Proposals

Monday, 02 March 2015 21:23

According to the Decision Making Process,

  1. Rules changes can be submitted (only by National Secretaries, the Rule Committe, the SCIRA Board or 5 Fleet Captains) up to 1st March.
  2. All proposals will be published at the Spring Snipe Bulletin and on www.snipe.org website.
  3. The period from March to June will be used for public discussion and also for the Rules Committee recommendations.
  4. The Board will vote all submission on July.
  5. The approved changes will be sent to ISAF (August) for final approval (November).

On March 1, 2015, twelve proposals were submitted:

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